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New lawsuit from Tesla owners who are seeing their odometers (🇪🇺 kilometer counters) falsely counting more distance driven to make warranties expire faster and save Elon Musk money.

And they wonder why we choose German cars over Teslas…

engadget.com/transportation/ev…

Tato položka byla upravena (2 weeks ago)
in reply to Randahl Fink

How long before he bricks the cars owned by people he doesn't like?
in reply to Randahl Fink

European cars ≠ German cars. Also don’t forget en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswag… . It may not be the owners who got cheated there but still…
in reply to Henrik Bøgh

Other manufacturers have been accused, with varying amounts of evidence, of using diesel defeat devices in their vehicles, but have yet to be proven. Some of the manufacturers accused include: Toyota, Suzuki, BMW, Citroën and Peugeot under PSA (now a part of Stellantis), Mitsubishi, Nissan and Renault, Chevrolet and GMC, Ford, Cummins, as well as Hyundai and Kia

Most important part of this wikipedia article. Everyone did that... 🙁

in reply to Schmaker

@schmaker “accused, with varying amounts of evidence”. Doesn’t in fact mean they did it.

But my points (two-fold) was more, that while German car-manufacturing is large (dominant?) in European car-manufacturing, they are not the only ones, and even if they were, they are not saints either.

And for full disclosure: My car is a Peugeot, which was an entirely unpolitical choice made in 2019.

in reply to Henrik Bøgh

@Henrik Bøgh
“accused, with varying amounts of evidence”. Doesn’t in fact mean they did it.

The recalls manufacturers do may indicate otherwise 😀
@Randahl Fink

in reply to Schmaker

@schmaker True. They are a good indication, and I haven't checked those.
in reply to Henrik Bøgh

@Boegh True. But as a Scandinavian, the German cars have proven to be very durable for a harsh climate. Less so with the French cars for instance.
in reply to Randahl Fink

@Boegh Also VW got away with Dieselgate at the start because it didn't really affect drivers all that much, and folk weren't buying diesel cars because they were eco-friendly, but because (especially in 2000s/2010s) the fuel was often cheaper than petrol across Northern Europe, particularly for those living in outer suburbs and rural areas and driving longer distances..
in reply to Randahl Fink

A couple kilometers is bad, but 20-30% is really, really bad
in reply to Randahl Fink

german cars are leaders in AI. Years ago they were able to detect when being put on a testing stand and faked their real emissions 🤣
in reply to Randahl Fink

Lies and fraud is the only thing you can expect from the richest man on earth.
in reply to Randahl Fink

none of the cars are open source, is any company even making cars that don't phone home? Even if they let you own it, most people have become accustomed to letting the car own them.
in reply to Randahl Fink

The only reason why I assume German car makers presumably don‘t do this is the anger of customers if getting caught.

(Forget Diesel Engine stuff: What outraged most consumers was depreciation because of that and the fear of usage restrictions, the hassle of recalls and the fear of hoher operating costs or Engine lifetime, less so that their vehicles meant unlawful emissions.)

in reply to Randahl Fink

I agree that we should buy European cars, but I still remember VW's Diesel gate. They lied to us too.
in reply to Gilberto Ruiz

@gilbert31 true. But most people do not remember more than one case about VW, while we remember many cases about Tesla, which indicates that this is not one department director gone rogue, but a widespread company culture problem.
in reply to Randahl Fink

I remember back in the 2020s how enthusiastic #Tesla Fanboys and girls were about OTA and the continuously improving Tesla cars. For me it felt disturbing, as I met Musk on an online call by that time. I decided to stay away from Tesla back then. Happy decision. 😊
This manipulation of the kilometrage has also legal implications. It's an absolute no-go!
in reply to Randahl Fink

Prediction: Elon will pay Trump to get his Trump Judges to throw out the case.
in reply to Randahl Fink

Does anyone have good ideas for how they can prove it?

I'm really interested to see the evidence in this. Did the owner notice it and then record distance with an independent method-gps or similar? Or record a video along a known journey showing the odometer overcounting? It's gonna be hard to prove any other way.
#TeslaTakedown #Elongate #OddOdometer

in reply to Randahl Fink

Innovation, the Musk Way:
According to a new lawsuit, Teslas are allegedly overcounting mileage to expire warranties faster.
Some build reliable cars – others write algorithms to simulate wear and tear.

Who needs trust when you can scale deception?

#Tesla #WarrantyGate #DigitalManipulation #ConsumerRights #MadeInSiliconValley

in reply to Randahl Fink

It's not a surprise that Musk is a shady person. Look who he's hanging around with, Dementia Don.
in reply to Randahl Fink

I hate Tesla as much as anyone but I thought this was a joke because Volkswagen had their own scandal where they lied about distances to make the miles per gallon number look better

pretty sure

in reply to BRING HOME ABREGO GARCIA

@dannotdaniel yes. Volkswagen had a scandal. As in 1 scandal. And as a result, they converted their company to an electric car business.

Tesla has a new scandal on a regular basis.

in reply to Randahl Fink

- I'm glad that I don't own one of those pieces of shit. excuse the expletive.
in reply to Randahl Fink

I was going to boost what you wrote, except that you made the mistake of blaming other American companies for what Tesla did dishonestly.
in reply to RonSupportsYou

@RonSupportsYou Good point. This was unintentional, and I have corrected the post. Thank you for noticing the mistake.
in reply to Randahl Fink

You're welcome! After you told me about it, I boosted what you wrote about Tesla. 😀
in reply to Randahl Fink

dude.

Elon Musk can be an asshole and Volkswagen can also be assholes. It's not one or the other.

Volkswagen jet something very similar and they were fined billions for it.

in reply to Randahl Fink

This is a very interesting case, but I can't find anything except for allegations yet. From your and other comments here it seems like you've seen proof and not just allegations, so I please post relevant links as well. I appreciate facts but can't find any!

Btw. I'm driving an electric Mercedes, and I'm not impressed from my experience. Have had both gasoline and diesels from VW, but never again!! No way.. And my next electric won't be a Mercedes.

Tato položka byla upravena (2 weeks ago)
in reply to HakonS 🇳🇴

I know that this is not "up to 30% difference", but there are indications, that something fishy is happening, even in unrelated articles

I'll translate it for you:

Interesting fact is, that Polestar, who reached 200 - 300 meter farther shown, that trip was 531 km while #Tesla 3 behind him indicated 548 km. Norway journalists from magazine Motor checked the numbers and according to Google Maps Polestar was right and Tesla was exaggerating.



@randahl Také tady:
"Došlo také k zajímavé věci. Polestar, který ujel o 200 až 300 metrů dál, ukazoval, že ujel 531 kilometrů, #Tesla 3 za ním trvala na tom, že ujela 548 kilometrů. Novináři z norského magazínu Motor čísla ověřovali a podle map Google seděla trasa s údajem Polestaru, naopak Tesla si trochu zapřeháněla."
auto.cz/norove-opet-testovali-…

in reply to Schmaker

@jackc I live in Norway and read news about EVs since I got EV myself. Even more weird is that this has not reached Norwegian news, even though its supposedly a Norwegian test. I guess I have to search more to see if I can find the same test and article, and maybe see why it's been quieted down here in Norway.

Edit: I did find the article. The difference between the Polestar and Tesla was corrected using Google Maps, so if the Polestar, Tesla or something in between is really correct is hard to know. The next sentence in the article was that BYD had 10% error and the Mini Countryman had 11% error (both more than the Tesla), so I guess more car companies should be sued if you base it on distances corrected by Google Maps.

Tato položka byla upravena (2 weeks ago)
in reply to Randahl Fink

Looks like sales are about to drop some more. Tesla Takedowns should have signs that say "check your odometer."
in reply to Randahl Fink

What's missing here: If the range of a Tesla is measured by its odometer, then the warranty expiration isn't the only part of the scam. The extended range compared to other cars was one of the major reasons to buy a Tesla.