Total honest question to my dear Fedi friends, I need a genuine answer, please do not sugarcoat things. I need Dutch bluntness here!

So you have been following #MySoCalledSudoLife adventures for almost two years now.

I'm not sure how to define myself anymore because I'm not an expert at this stuff, but I am no longer a newbie either. Yesterday I updated all my systems using CLI (in tmux)!

Now, my main point after my long preamble:

I want to create custom apparel for the next #FOSDEM, as an act of rebellion against the rejection for our proposal of a DEIB room.

I used to make sweatshirts and t-shirts to promote the visibility of women in film, like: "this is what a film director looks like" or just t-shirts that read "film director". I gifted them to prominent women in film, who LOVED them and wore them on set!

I'd like to do something similar but for FOSDEM / tech.

Is it too much to say: "this is what a sysadmin looks like"? Can I call myself a sysadmin, or would you find it sacrilegious?

Anything else? Like, other suggestions along the lines of "this is what a ----- looks like" or "sysadmin"?

Thanks! 🙏​

in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂

For some reason #running does seem to be such a good example to bring up for some reason, perhaps it's just very easy to relate to?

The point is: compare with your previous self, not with with others.

Some might start running, and after a few months, run a 30 minute 5k.
Some might give it their all out effort and end at 35 minutes.

But both of them have definitely improved during that time!!

You're much more sysadmin now, than 2 years ago!

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in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂

a sysadmin administers systems.

There will always be sysadmins with more knowledge and experience than you, no matter how long you do it.

A good sysadmin is willing to learn and take advice from others, and to learn from their own mistakes so they will do it better next time.

A dangerous sysadmin thinks they know everything!

You are a good sysadmin!

in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂

It is good to be humble as a social play, but... like, I'm trying to identify when I started casually referring to myself by the generic label of "musician," because...

(speaking as someone who has held the job title of Sysadmin and self-identifies as such now, and does not plan to stop, whether I ever hold that job title again)

...I think the line for you to call yourself a Sysadmin is actually more analogous to when I started calling myself a musician.

I myself have been thinking a lot that it's time to reclaim the word "User," which (sometimes optionally having the prefix of "End" added) became derogatory in the 90s, and bring it back to its 1982 Tron meaning.

After I saw Tron, I wanted to be a User. I remain a User, first and foremost. Users made this place. Death to the MCP.

Call yourself a Sysadmin if you wanna. You Administer Systems, and I guarantee you are more capable than some holders of the job title I've had to deal with.

in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂

@Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂

I don't think there's any copyright on the "sysadmin" word, so anybody can use it.

Then, there are different kind of sysadmins. Some have been working in that domain during the last 30 years and some others started 2 years ago: the difference is in the experience not in the role, so you can use that name.

Finally, you can use the CLI on a Linux system and most Windows sysadmins can't do that, so once more you can use that name.

I'm sure that shirt will fit you perfectly.

in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂

you’re more of a SysAdmin than 90% of those sloppy DevOps I regularly have to deal with meet. Being a SysAdmin is about knowing and dealing with the system parts of computer science. You can have various levels of success at it. But if you understand and endorse the "There Is No Cloud" meme, you can label yourself a SysAdmin.
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂

if you do system administration, you are a sysadmin :) It does not need to be on a professional level or job, maintenance of your private IT stuff counts.
I thought there are some well hung ideas already on shirts, but didn't find too exciting stuff via a quick search.
I like your idea, hopefully someone adds some more to have some choice.
What about "Woman in the loop".
Front + back different with a surprising punch line is often fun...
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂

As was already said, you administrate systems, so you're a sysadmin.

I've been doing it for more than 3 decades, and in my opinion a good sysadmin is one who takes pride in their work and tries to do it well, and is willing to learn. Everything else is less important (like, how big of a system, how big your userbase, how advanced the tech you use is or how much money, if any, you make).

And I didn't even have two years of linux under my belt before I decided "sure I can build an ISP".

in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂

I have not been following you that long, but from what I have read from you so far I would say you have all rights to call yourself sysadmin.
Of course there are the more experienced, but from my perspective you can file yourself easily among the ranks of those who even earn a living as sysadmin (German bluntness over here)
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂

FOSDEM feels like it is more Dev than sysadmin oriented, but you can definitely make both sysadmin and (FOSS) "dev" or (FOSS) "maintainer" variants for people who have done some cool contributions.

Poke @iczelia not sure if you go to FOSDEM, but you deserve a "maintainer" cool piece of clothing.

in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂

You are a sysadmin - whether you like it or not :flan_XD: It is not a sacrilegious title at all. Whereas I am a "professional sysadmin" (in the sense that I get paid for it at $dayjob) - I like cute shirts like this Cosplaying as a Sysadmin one.

Advice from a Dutchie, if someone looks at your apparel or makes a remark, say "heb ik iets van je aan ofzo?"

Quite literally translated: "am I wearing something that is yours" - it is often said as a joke and remark that they should mind their own business.

in reply to h3artbl33d

back in the mid 90s, not long after trainspotting came out, i was working as a sysadmin of a very large isp, and a bunch of us got "choose sysadmin" shirts as a riff on the "choose life" bit of that movie.

anyway, i was out at an atm getting some cash, when a middle-aged woman saw the shirt and approached me to offer me a job.

i was obviously looking pretty taken aback, because she followed that up with a quizzical look and said, "what? haven't you ever been approached before?"

no, no i hadn't. and not since, for that matter (not for a job anyway), but this has always stuck with me.

there's no moral here, it was just weird and i wanted to share.

in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂

my initial thoughts when I here someone calling themselves a sysadmin is that they do system administration as their day job. One could of course be a sysadmin on one's spare time.

If one feels like they don't know enough (because they don't have sysadmin as their dayjob), one could maybe say "I'm a self hoster".

But a self-hoster or "hobby sysadmin" might know more about sysadmin stuff than one who works as a sysadmin.

Just rambling here. I think you could call yourself a sysadmin.

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in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂

what do you mean you can't call yourself a sysadmin? the moment you touched a terminal, remotely over ssh or something else, to update or configure something, the vale of ignorance has been lifted, and now you're a sysadmin! The bad part of this deal is, of course, that you can't put the vale of ignorance back on or shut pandora's box, so yeah, be ware of cursed knowledge and its consequences.
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂

You are running a system. You are maintaining a system. You administer care to that system. I think you can call you a system administrator. As with everything, you do have levels. The only con would be that you don’t do this as a (paid) job. But that is for me ‘syntactic sugar’ :D
But what you are most of all to this community is a ‘face’ that knows how to make noise. And shows/fights for what the O is FOSS should really stand for!
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂

People will always have strange requirements for when they think you're a sysadmin. You will never be able to meet those requirements, so just ignore them.

If you take care of a computer, you're a sysadmin. I guarantee that very many people who call themselves sysadmins know way less. If you had to be an expert at sysadmin stuff to call yourself that, most of the people I've met during 30 years doing sysadmin stuff wouldn't qualify.

in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂

from my Dutch upbringing it was always "if you can't say it sing it". But reading your message multi modality seems to be something you nailed down.

My blunt Dutch approach would be to preach to as many people willing to listen as possible, and go/learn from there. But to be frank I'm not sure it is a hammer and nail problem.

in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂

Something about this thread is making me tear up... The juxtaposition of you wanting to do something so women and other folks can see themselves in this community but then your hesitance around using "sysadmin" for yourself, suggesting maybe you don't 100% see *yourself* as having a place here? And then the comments all saying that absolutely you are a sysadmin. Its fucking beautiful.
in reply to Stanley Jones

awww I know, right? 😭​🥰​

Yesterday I remembered that last year, when I was trying to install Ghost via CLI, I had spotted a bug in the official documentation and reported it to John, the CEO, who thanked me for it... so yes, even if I know very little, maybe I should not doubt calling myself a sysadmin 😅​

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I know XKCD is considered a reliable source of information nowadays. Especially after the whole private key fiasco earlier this week. But I can assure you XKCD 705 puts the bar way too high.

A bit more serious: I've formally studied software development. And I have never used tmux. So think you're a more capable sysadmin than I.

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