Total honest question to my dear Fedi friends, I need a genuine answer, please do not sugarcoat things. I need Dutch bluntness here!
So you have been following #MySoCalledSudoLife adventures for almost two years now.
I'm not sure how to define myself anymore because I'm not an expert at this stuff, but I am no longer a newbie either. Yesterday I updated all my systems using CLI (in tmux)!
Now, my main point after my long preamble:
I want to create custom apparel for the next #FOSDEM, as an act of rebellion against the rejection for our proposal of a DEIB room.
I used to make sweatshirts and t-shirts to promote the visibility of women in film, like: "this is what a film director looks like" or just t-shirts that read "film director". I gifted them to prominent women in film, who LOVED them and wore them on set!
I'd like to do something similar but for FOSDEM / tech.
Is it too much to say: "this is what a sysadmin looks like"? Can I call myself a sysadmin, or would you find it sacrilegious?
Anything else? Like, other suggestions along the lines of "this is what a ----- looks like" or "sysadmin"?
Thanks! 🙏
Shannon Quinn
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •A sysadmin is someone who has done admin on a system. That’s you! 😎
(I have similar conversations in the running community: a runner is someone who runs. The unspoken part: they’re a runner, regardless of the apparel they wear, the shoes they run in, and most importantly, the pace they run)
Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂
in reply to Shannon Quinn • • •Schmaker
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • •It seems like local influencers are actually good at influencing.
I started running as well this year. And what's worse - I have fun running. Guess that's what you get for being on ad-less network - you get inspired
like this
Vicomte Folmer, Igel a Daniel Schildt like this.
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in reply to Schmaker • • •Schmaker likes this.
Vicomte Folmer
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •For some reason #running does seem to be such a good example to bring up for some reason, perhaps it's just very easy to relate to?
The point is: compare with your previous self, not with with others.
Some might start running, and after a few months, run a 30 minute 5k.
Some might give it their all out effort and end at 35 minutes.
But both of them have definitely improved during that time!!
You're much more sysadmin now, than 2 years ago!
@magsol
@andycarolan
@schmaker
Vicomte Folmer
in reply to Vicomte Folmer • • •That being said, I definitely also understand that you want some advice here.
"I manage my own server" could be an alternative?
Doesn't put a label on it, but is concrete with respect to what you've done?
"Yes, I've installed and configured an operating system!"
I hope you get a lot of good feedback and ideas!
Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂
in reply to Vicomte Folmer • • •Andy Carolan
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in reply to Andy Carolan • • •Andy Carolan
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •Have to agree with @magsol This is you "this is what a sysadmin looks like"
Also with running... I've recently started running, mostly on treadmill at the gym... only 1 or 2km at a time, but it's a lot more than I was doing! While I am doing it, I'm a runner! haha.
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in reply to Andy Carolan • • •Bruno Girin
in reply to Shannon Quinn • • •martijn
in reply to Shannon Quinn • • •@magsol
Aprazeth
in reply to martijn • • •Cosigned by another Dutch person.
You have done and do the work of a sysadmin. You were there for the recent updates. You struggled with backups and restores, and improved your process and documentation.
Yeah, you have absolutely **earned** the title sysadmin.
Thank you for all you do! The posts here, advocacy, blog, and so much more.
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in reply to Aprazeth • • •Aprazeth
in reply to Aprazeth • • •(Reading that back I humbly would like to clarify that the "struggling with backups and restores" is (unfortunately) something of a common experience for any sysadmin - we all had to go through it at one point or another.
My deepest apologies if it came across otherwise)
b3lt3r
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in reply to b3lt3r • • •Mario Sangiorgio
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in reply to Mario Sangiorgio • • •Chris. R. 🎧🎼☕🍍
in reply to Mario Sangiorgio • • •Teapot Ben
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •a sysadmin administers systems.
There will always be sysadmins with more knowledge and experience than you, no matter how long you do it.
A good sysadmin is willing to learn and take advice from others, and to learn from their own mistakes so they will do it better next time.
A dangerous sysadmin thinks they know everything!
You are a good sysadmin!
Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂
in reply to Teapot Ben • • •thank you!!!
BTW I silently thank you every time I use tmux - totally changed the way I do things and love it so much!
Rachel Rawlings
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •波鉄 (Hatetsu)
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in reply to 波鉄 (Hatetsu) • • •Tobias Hunger
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •Welcome follow sysadmin.
Do not forget the developers at the Free and Open Source Developers' European Meeting
I expect a big part of your audience will self-identify more as "developer" than as "sysadmin".
I'd love to wear such a shirt, but I am not your target audience:-(
JimmyChezPants 🇨🇦
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •It is good to be humble as a social play, but... like, I'm trying to identify when I started casually referring to myself by the generic label of "musician," because...
(speaking as someone who has held the job title of Sysadmin and self-identifies as such now, and does not plan to stop, whether I ever hold that job title again)
...I think the line for you to call yourself a Sysadmin is actually more analogous to when I started calling myself a musician.
I myself have been thinking a lot that it's time to reclaim the word "User," which (sometimes optionally having the prefix of "End" added) became derogatory in the 90s, and bring it back to its 1982 Tron meaning.
After I saw Tron, I wanted to be a User. I remain a User, first and foremost. Users made this place. Death to the MCP.
Call yourself a Sysadmin if you wanna. You Administer Systems, and I guarantee you are more capable than some holders of the job title I've had to deal with.
Max - Poliverso 🇪🇺🇮🇹
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •@Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂
I don't think there's any copyright on the "sysadmin" word, so anybody can use it.
Then, there are different kind of sysadmins. Some have been working in that domain during the last 30 years and some others started 2 years ago: the difference is in the experience not in the role, so you can use that name.
Finally, you can use the CLI on a Linux system and most Windows sysadmins can't do that, so once more you can use that name.
I'm sure that shirt will fit you perfectly.
𝙹𝚘𝚎𝚕 𝙲𝚊𝚛𝚗𝚊𝚝 ♑️🤪
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •have to deal withmeet. Being a SysAdmin is about knowing and dealing with the system parts of computer science. You can have various levels of success at it. But if you understand and endorse the "There Is No Cloud" meme, you can label yourself a SysAdmin.Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂
in reply to 𝙹𝚘𝚎𝚕 𝙲𝚊𝚛𝚗𝚊𝚝 ♑️🤪 • • •Ype Kingma
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in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •Marwe
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •I thought there are some well hung ideas already on shirts, but didn't find too exciting stuff via a quick search.
I like your idea, hopefully someone adds some more to have some choice.
What about "Woman in the loop".
Front + back different with a surprising punch line is often fun...
Nina Pescatore
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •You are. Period.
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in reply to Nina Pescatore • • •Christoph Waldhauser
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •econads
in reply to Christoph Waldhauser • • •"I am root"
@elena
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in reply to econads • • •econads
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •Maybe there's some kind of pun that can be constructed.
@chwpm
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in reply to econads • • •christian mock
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •As was already said, you administrate systems, so you're a sysadmin.
I've been doing it for more than 3 decades, and in my opinion a good sysadmin is one who takes pride in their work and tries to do it well, and is willing to learn. Everything else is less important (like, how big of a system, how big your userbase, how advanced the tech you use is or how much money, if any, you make).
And I didn't even have two years of linux under my belt before I decided "sure I can build an ISP".
lieven
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •Talk about gender stereotypes...
There are plenty of dudes who'd barely qualify and happily slap it on a t-shirt. Here you are, a woman, very clearly qualified and yet you aren't sure...
You earned the t-shirt. 😀
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in reply to lieven • • •🥹 thank you for the powerful reminder...
I hadn't realized I was suffering from impostor syndrome 😢
I will definitely make that t-shirt now and proudly wear it 💪
lieven
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in reply to lieven • • •Agnieszka R. Turczyńska
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •Go on. If you need an official blessing by a (former) sysadmin, here it is.
In recognition of merit, hereby I anoint you as a sysadmin.
Congratulations, shaking hands, hugs. Good luck 💜
PS. Squeee 🥰
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in reply to Agnieszka R. Turczyńska • • •Agnieszka R. Turczyńska
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂
in reply to Agnieszka R. Turczyńska • • •Odd
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •TagHunt
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •administrated systems ✅ -> sysadmin.
I think a "sysadmin" or a "totally not a sysadmin" with fake glasses and moustache would be wonderful!
I think the cybersecurity people will love a "securing cyber..." or a "../" shirt
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in reply to TagHunt • • •rsudev
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •Of course there are the more experienced, but from my perspective you can file yourself easily among the ranks of those who even earn a living as sysadmin (German bluntness over here)
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in reply to rsudev • • •Anneke
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in reply to Anneke • • •Dlovan
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in reply to Dlovan • • •Dr. Sobek
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •FOSDEM feels like it is more Dev than sysadmin oriented, but you can definitely make both sysadmin and (FOSS) "dev" or (FOSS) "maintainer" variants for people who have done some cool contributions.
Poke @iczelia not sure if you go to FOSDEM, but you deserve a "maintainer" cool piece of clothing.
Michel Patrice
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •« I am no longer a newbie either. »
Former newbie?
Arratoon
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •Sensitive content
Trektor
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •AdiCon
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •Hi Elena, sometimes, somewhere, I read this definition of sysadmin and I made a t-shirt just for me, I like to wear.
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in reply to AdiCon • • •I LOVE this t-shirt so much!!!
Sadly it doesn't apply to me because I'm a sysadmin for my own system but I love the concept. It would make a great birthday present for people like @stefano
Aaron
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •grugbrain.dev/
I always read this when impostor syndrome Hits.
The Grug Brained Developer
grugbrain.devh3artbl33d
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •You are a sysadmin - whether you like it or not
It is not a sacrilegious title at all. Whereas I am a "professional sysadmin" (in the sense that I get paid for it at
$dayjob) - I like cute shirts like this Cosplaying as a Sysadmin one.Advice from a Dutchie, if someone looks at your apparel or makes a remark, say "heb ik iets van je aan ofzo?"
Quite literally translated: "am I wearing something that is yours" - it is often said as a joke and remark that they should mind their own business.
Cosplaying as a Sysadmin T-Shirt — Red Shirt Jeff
Red Shirt Jeff𝙹𝚘𝚎𝚕 𝙲𝚊𝚛𝚗𝚊𝚝 ♑️🤪
in reply to h3artbl33d • • •That definitively looks (and sounds) like throwing random letters at people’s faces. Quite legit as a "mind your own business" equivalent 🤣
@h3artbl33d @elena
bubble jet color
in reply to h3artbl33d • • •back in the mid 90s, not long after trainspotting came out, i was working as a sysadmin of a very large isp, and a bunch of us got "choose sysadmin" shirts as a riff on the "choose life" bit of that movie.
anyway, i was out at an atm getting some cash, when a middle-aged woman saw the shirt and approached me to offer me a job.
i was obviously looking pretty taken aback, because she followed that up with a quizzical look and said, "what? haven't you ever been approached before?"
no, no i hadn't. and not since, for that matter (not for a job anyway), but this has always stuck with me.
there's no moral here, it was just weird and i wanted to share.
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in reply to h3artbl33d • • •Samuel
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •my initial thoughts when I here someone calling themselves a sysadmin is that they do system administration as their day job. One could of course be a sysadmin on one's spare time.
If one feels like they don't know enough (because they don't have sysadmin as their dayjob), one could maybe say "I'm a self hoster".
But a self-hoster or "hobby sysadmin" might know more about sysadmin stuff than one who works as a sysadmin.
Just rambling here. I think you could call yourself a sysadmin.
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in reply to Samuel • • •серафими многоꙮчитїи
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in reply to серафими многоꙮчитїи • • •the esoteric programmer
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in reply to the esoteric programmer • • •Big Belgian Bopper 🔻🐸
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •But what you are most of all to this community is a ‘face’ that knows how to make noise. And shows/fights for what the O is FOSS should really stand for!
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in reply to Big Belgian Bopper 🔻🐸 • • •Magnus Ahltorp
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •People will always have strange requirements for when they think you're a sysadmin. You will never be able to meet those requirements, so just ignore them.
If you take care of a computer, you're a sysadmin. I guarantee that very many people who call themselves sysadmins know way less. If you had to be an expert at sysadmin stuff to call yourself that, most of the people I've met during 30 years doing sysadmin stuff wouldn't qualify.
Ryan
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in reply to Fishing4hope • • •Sarma / Amras
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •"open source maintainer" would be a good one for fosdem.
and yes, you can call yourself a sysadmin if you run your own systems :)
A Sysadmin for Hire
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂
in reply to A Sysadmin for Hire • • •Jelle
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •from my Dutch upbringing it was always "if you can't say it sing it". But reading your message multi modality seems to be something you nailed down.
My blunt Dutch approach would be to preach to as many people willing to listen as possible, and go/learn from there. But to be frank I'm not sure it is a hammer and nail problem.
Franz Graf
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •But .. hm not sure how I'd call it. but do you know what I mean?
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in reply to Franz Graf • • •Terence Eden
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •You ever broken something in production? You're *absolutely* a sysadmin!
I'd happily help you distribute - or set up a rogue room if you'd like.
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in reply to Terence Eden • • •thank you Terence! ❤️
We're actively discussing the plan for FOSDEM with Gina and Rosanna, lots of exciting ideas in motion, we'll keep you all posted ASAP
Stanley Jones
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂
in reply to Stanley Jones • • •awww I know, right? 😭🥰
Yesterday I remembered that last year, when I was trying to install Ghost via CLI, I had spotted a bug in the official documentation and reported it to John, the CEO, who thanked me for it... so yes, even if I know very little, maybe I should not doubt calling myself a sysadmin 😅
Bart Schuller
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •That’s: Bastard Operator From Hell, a term which many sysadmins use(d?) to refer to themselves with.
Tweak7749
in reply to Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ • • •I know XKCD is considered a reliable source of information nowadays. Especially after the whole private key fiasco earlier this week. But I can assure you XKCD 705 puts the bar way too high.
A bit more serious: I've formally studied software development. And I have never used tmux. So think you're a more capable sysadmin than I.
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in reply to Tweak7749 • • •arosano 🇩🇰 🇮🇱
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in reply to arosano 🇩🇰 🇮🇱 • • •Joel 🇲🇽
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