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Ooooof. This is quite something from Massive Attack. Brutal activist art.

HT @alecm

gadgetreview.com/massive-attac…

#facialRecognition #massiveAttack #surveillance

Tato položka byla upravena (3 weeks ago)

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in reply to eclectech

From the concert video it looks more like a face *detection*, not recognition. Your name is not attached to the face as far as I can see in the video.

Looks wicked cool and disturbing anyway.

in reply to Vít Skalický

reading the article carefully and watching videos from the concert, I'm confident there is no facial recognition involved. The article is wrong either out of ignorance or the author lying on purpose to get attention. And you are spreading it uncritically 🙁

But the show Massive Attack put on is cool and worth spreading even though it's not as sophisticated as people think (and they are not claiming it to be)

in reply to Vít Skalický

@vitSkalicky Facial recognition is about gathering biometric data / images that can be compared against a database of faces.

They are very clearly gathering faces. These can then be compared to other databases to find other places you've been. That is surveillance.

The article does not seem to claim otherwise.

in reply to eclectech

@eclectech I agree with @Vít Skalický, seeing the installation, I don't think there's any facial recognition, it doesn't try to identify individual people. Instead, it's running a face detection software with an AI (for a lack of better term) trained to identify general traits from faces that assigns a random label to each face, tracking them across the video stream.

I still understand the malaise, we like to think we're anonymous in a crowd, and just being singled out in such a display dispels that myth without even actually doing the thing people accuse it of.

Edit: Clarified what I think is running during the performance.

Tato položka byla upravena (3 weeks ago)
in reply to Hypolite Petovan

@hypolite @vitSkalicky I'm being super picky about definition, but based on Wikipedia's "A facial recognition system is a technology *potentially* capable of matching a human face from a digital image or a video frame against a database of faces" I think it counts. Whether or not they are doing that with it is secondary, & that's one of the key issues we have. Who is recording, what is being stored, how is it being used?
in reply to eclectech

@eclectech Those are all valid questions, but a cursory look at the performance hints that everything runs locally. It detects faces like your phone or camera detects faces in pictures/video, and assign it an individual label that probably has little to do with the face itself (I've seen "fork bender" as a label). The uncomfortable trick, of course, is maintaining the same label on the same face as the camera pans, but this local fingerprinting doesn't need to compare these faces with any database.

It could, the same way your phone and your camera could, but this wasn't the intent of this installation.

@Vít Skalický

in reply to Vít Skalický

I'd say comparing recognized faces to some sort of database (I can imagine #Facebook profiles for this) is the easier part
in reply to Vít Skalický

@vitSkalicky From the article, it sounds like you’re right. I would like to have a better picture where I can read the text attached to each image. Could be gibberish, could be location data(which camera took it, where that face is in the crowd), could be randomly generated names, could be their primary key in the Facebook database. 🤷‍♂️
in reply to eclectech

- I wouldnt pay one Red Cent to watch Massive Attack now knowing I am being snooped on at a Concert.
in reply to atlovato

@atlovato @eclectech @alecm This is an understandable reaction, and probably intended by the band, and who else are you giving money/attention that does that and worse? This is the crucial question this performance is begging the audience to ask themselves.
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Hypolite Petovan

@eclectech Facial recognition might be pervasive in our developed societies, but it (still) isn't available to anyone who might want to use it. Facebook can do it based on profile pictures, but they don't give everyone access to this capability. I don't believe even Massive Attack would have been able to access it.

Law enforcement can also do it, and it's even more restricted. It still is a good question: who can do it? Who do they let use it?

@ramin

Tato položka byla upravena (3 weeks ago)
in reply to eclectech

Straight to video

youtube.com/shorts/_lvqLAH8R7I

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