This has happened with so many things. Cars, houses, electronics, appliances. Everything is gray, white, beige, blue, silver, or black. How did things end up this way?
@rasterweb Ok, but that's simplistic. Is it more profitable to be boring with colors? if so, why? Are boring colors much cheaper to manufacture? Do people pay more for things in boring colors or buy more of them?
Companies doing capitalism used to sell things in brighter colors, so what changed?
@MLE_online @schmaker The house I moved into 12 years ago had one room that was purple (which we painted) and another that was dark red. I kept the dark red for my office, and I like it. My partner kept suggesting a lighter color would "lighten things up" but I like things dark and heavy.
@rasterweb @MLE_online @schmaker The strange car color that has become popular in the last 5 years or so is a kind of flat gray that is not metallic like the previously popular silver cars, but what some have called "putty" color.
@EricFielding @rasterweb @schmaker I remember liking that color when it first came out because non-metallic colors are so rare in cars these days, but now that stupid color is everywhere.
@MLE_online @rasterweb @schmaker I think it might be called "Dim Grey". A "dim" color is the opposite of easily visible, so I am not sure what the attraction is.
@MLE_online@afront.org @schmaker @rasterweb @jalefkowit When I moved to Oregon in 2011, the house my family and I ended up buying was brick red, and that was a big part of its appeal. It was *not* beige or anything beige-adjacent.
We had no difficulty selling that house when we decided to move.
The next house we lived in, we chose to paint a lovely sage-green with white trim. Not super saturated as far as color went, but also not one of the Four or Five Standard New House Colors for 21st century USAnians.
We also had no difficulty selling *that* house, either.
@rasterweb @schmaker I bought my Honda Fit used, and since I wanted it with a manual transmission, the only color I could find it in was black. This is a reminder I keep meaning to repaint it a brighter color
The “Cow Car” is a 2012 Mitsubishi iMIEV electric car. The cow spot pattern is home-made, using a small computer-controlled vinyl-cutter. It is patterned after the “Moo Moo Edition”. That was a collectible scale model of this Mitsubishi.
for cars, Japanese manufacturers developed the modern model of restricted optioning to improve production efficiency, and this includes reduced paint color choices, as that's a big one for production efficiency. you need production downtime to change colors, so minimizing the number of colors you offer minimizes the amount of downtime.
additionally, the US dealer model where dealerships keep inventory on the lot, and pay loans on that inventory until it's sold, incentivizes cars that sell quickly, and it's easier to find a buyer for a boring color than a loud color.
@bhtooefr @rasterweb The first paragraph makes sense, but the second makes a lot of assumptions.
Dealers used to sell colorful cars, but not anymore. And if people aren't presented with colorful car options to buy from, how do dealers know they sell more poorly than boring colors?
some manufacturers do offer actual colors, and AFAIK, when dealers get them, or when someone special orders one and then rejects the delivery, or when a used car comes in in an actual color, they do sit on the lot for longer
but yeah, that does create a bit of a paradox
and sometimes it reverses with luxury cars, where there may be fewer people who want a weird color, but if it's a rare color, you'll find *someone* who will pay a premium for it
also I believe similar effects end up applying to houses - people are obsessed with resale value on their houses, and a weird color can not only make that house harder to sell, but even other houses in the neighborhood (so then you get things like HOAs *enforcing* boring colors for the sake of resale value).
@bhtooefr @rasterweb If I can ever afford a home, i will be painting it a bright and loud color. The neighbors might hate me, but too bad, lol. I would never live in an HOA
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in reply to Pete Prodoehl 🍕 • • •@rasterweb Ok, but that's simplistic. Is it more profitable to be boring with colors? if so, why? Are boring colors much cheaper to manufacture? Do people pay more for things in boring colors or buy more of them?
Companies doing capitalism used to sell things in brighter colors, so what changed?
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in reply to Emily Velasco • •Not sure how it works in other parts of the world, but it seems like people are scared to stand out with their stuff
People often choose color in the way "I don't want to get neighbours attention, I can't pick the shiny orange one (even though I like it so much!)"
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in reply to Emily Velasco • • •@MLE_online@afront.org @schmaker @rasterweb @jalefkowit When I moved to Oregon in 2011, the house my family and I ended up buying was brick red, and that was a big part of its appeal. It was *not* beige or anything beige-adjacent.
We had no difficulty selling that house when we decided to move.
The next house we lived in, we chose to paint a lovely sage-green with white trim. Not super saturated as far as color went, but also not one of the Four or Five Standard New House Colors for 21st century USAnians.
We also had no difficulty selling *that* house, either.
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in reply to Schmaker • • •@schmaker @MLE_online My previous car was dark orange and I loved it. My current car is "dark gray" (no, not "black") and it's fine.
I buy used cars, so often any color choice is very limited.
I do get the "not standing out" part though, but I've always been a back of house sort of person.
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in reply to Pete Prodoehl 🍕 • • •My last two cars were Subarus: a 2003 WRX, and then a 2015 BRZ. Both fairly sporty cars.
The WRX was silver. The BRZ was bright red. I drove them both the same way.
I never got a speeding ticket in the silver WRX. I got three in the red BRZ 😆
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in reply to Emily Velasco • • •@MLE_online @schmaker My pal Ben just used a vinyl cutter...
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in reply to Pete Prodoehl 🍕 • •You propably can't get more "punk" than iMiEV with cow decals... 😁
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in reply to Emily Velasco • • •for cars, Japanese manufacturers developed the modern model of restricted optioning to improve production efficiency, and this includes reduced paint color choices, as that's a big one for production efficiency. you need production downtime to change colors, so minimizing the number of colors you offer minimizes the amount of downtime.
additionally, the US dealer model where dealerships keep inventory on the lot, and pay loans on that inventory until it's sold, incentivizes cars that sell quickly, and it's easier to find a buyer for a boring color than a loud color.
Emily Velasco
in reply to bhtooefr • • •@bhtooefr @rasterweb The first paragraph makes sense, but the second makes a lot of assumptions.
Dealers used to sell colorful cars, but not anymore. And if people aren't presented with colorful car options to buy from, how do dealers know they sell more poorly than boring colors?
bhtooefr
in reply to Emily Velasco • • •some manufacturers do offer actual colors, and AFAIK, when dealers get them, or when someone special orders one and then rejects the delivery, or when a used car comes in in an actual color, they do sit on the lot for longer
but yeah, that does create a bit of a paradox
and sometimes it reverses with luxury cars, where there may be fewer people who want a weird color, but if it's a rare color, you'll find *someone* who will pay a premium for it
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in reply to Jason Lefkowitz • • •@MLE_online @bhtooefr @rasterweb To the question of how we got to where we are, Kate Wagner has written a bit on that
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Colour & Shape: Using Computer Vision to Explore the Science Museum Group Collection
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