Lots of people see the world the way, that there should be small group of lords and big group of subjects. Lords can do whatever they want and subjects only what lords allow. The most of the political struggles are just about who should be in which group. But what point is it to be a lord when it doesn't bring your real important advantages against subjects? In the past only lords good eat quality food and travel, these were the most important differences, but thanks to capitalism they started to be cheaply available to the most of the people. So how to keep them only for the lords and force subjects to beg for everything again? Green ideology is the great answer. And the most funny thing is that there are lots of subjects that would ask the lords to take those away from them.
in reply to Mac_CZ 🇦🇶

Thanks for explanation. Except for meat it quite makes sense to me. What's wrong on using lowest amount of energy possible and not using cars?

I managed to reduce my car trips to about 25% by switching to bike for commutes. The #bike paid for itself within one year. With previous #eScooter it took 2 years. And I'm hot as hell now! 😀

I also cannot find the problem with reducing #energy usage as it literally equals saved money.

I definitely do have issue with all these #subsidies around though, that's for sure - especially when we are giving money so people could buy #cars while these money comes from people who will never be able to buy an apartment .. that's just silly...

in reply to Schmaker

@schmaker Because progress and prosperity requires lots of energy. Progress was so exponentially accelerated in the past 200 years because of access to huge amount of cheap energy. It's of course good to be more efficient, but it still means using more energy overall, because you can the more and more stuff at the same time.
in reply to Mac_CZ 🇦🇶

I can agree with you at this point, the efficiency can do huge differences though.

Imagine how much energy is just wasted when transporting crude oil and it's products instead of just using power line. So much work-hours, so much energy for transporting energy and so on (and I'm not even trying to talk about enviromental externalities 😀 )

When we are talking about efficiency, the idea behind "do not use car when not need to" is easy:
- transporting myself using bicycle (about 100 kg of load) to work and back is like <1 kWh of energy max (same goes for eScooter)
- transporting myself using car (about 1500 kg of load) to work and back is like 1-2l of gasoline. Thats 10-20 kWhs that could have been used much better elsewhere. And it also means more than 90% efficiency difference. It's not steam vs gasoline engine efficiency difference, it's huge

I wonder if public transportation has also such good efficiency...

Power density source: chemistry.beloit.edu/edetc/Sli…

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