Someone pointed out that there are no #Russia infantry, mechanized, tank, or artillery units anywhere in the space between #NATO and Moscow, and haven’t been any for the last 18 months. There’s only air and air defence left. In theory, NATO could just walk up to Moscow faster than Prigozhin in 2023. Why doesn’t it?
Someone else correctly pointed[^1] out there is none of these precisely because Russians are 100% sure NATO wouldn’t attack. The whole “NATO expansion threat” was a propaganda tool to justify Russia’s imperialist expansion.
[^1]: x.com/VitaKavaliausk1/status/1…
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in reply to zakzak • • •@scyzoryk
No nuclear country relies exclusively on nuclear weapons, otherwise they wouldn’t even need conventional army. Russians must be really confident that NATO won’t do anything offensive, which is reasonable assumption, but the point here was that their whole “NATO expansion” was bullshit from the start.
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in reply to De_Minimis • • •@De_Minimis
So, Ukraine joins NATO, and what exactly is your problem? Are you concerned that Russia won’t dare to invade it again, just as it never dared to invade Baltics or Poland after 1999-2004?
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Unknown parent • • •@Milkman76
So far, it’s not US that started the largest war in Europe but Russia, against a country whose main “fault” was it chose EU rather than Russia’s CIS for its economic alliance.
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Unknown parent • • •@Milkman76 @ratel
Look what #NATO did in #Russia town of Serov:
youtube.com/watch?v=K4enbr8yIq…
Стена из заледеневших фекалий. Белореченская 5
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Unknown parent • • •@Milkman76
I’m always happy to learn new experiences, but the problem is that in 2013 I actually physically was in Donbas, where the alleged “attacks” took place. I spoke Russian, and many other people spoke Russian, and nobody was attacking anyone. The actual killing and bombing only started after Russian commando groups entered Ukraine in early 2014, but not before that.
By the way, the “coup” that you’re talking about, this is how it looked like. Here’s president Yanukovych signing the “Agreement on settlement of political crisis in Ukraine” on 21 February 2014:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreemen…
Ukrainian treaty signed in 2014
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Unknown parent • • •@Milkman76
Yes, I was in Donbas in autumn 2013. I also was there in 2012 and every year since 2004 when I drove through it
There was no “CIA/USAID money”. The only external funds were EU money in 2011 for making EURO 2012. They built Donbas Arena in Donetsk and a new Donetsk International airport. The football fans had their time in 2012, everyone celebrated.
Russians came in April 2014 and they turned it all into fucking wasteland. It’s really very simple.
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Unknown parent • •I think you're wrong - it's not "informations, it's a Russian propaganda nobody gives a shit about
We heard it all - Alley of angels, Odessa, #Donbas attacks (which in some seriously screwed up way should justify all the dead people today), Biolabs, Satans, NATO expansion (wierd that there is no paper stating it, right?), ..
It's not even funny anymore especially when #Russia started full scale invasion right when it seemed like there are "almost" no more #civilian #casualties.
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Unknown parent • • •@Milkman76
As you speak of “decades of NATO expansion”, I was living in Poland since my birth and yes, I’ve seen it all too. I’ve seen Russian army leaving Poland in 1993 and then promptly returning to revanchist rhetorics in the following year when they started the war in Chechnya, with their politicians like Zhirinovsky literally threatening former Soviet bloc countries like Poland with repeated annexation. This was, to be honest, the best advertisement for NATO - when Poland applied to NATO in 1996, and it did so voluntarily, it was supported by like 80% of the people. And it was all caused by Russia’s threatening, neo-imperialist rhetoric. If these fuckers behaved like humans, without their usual “we own you” flexing, there would be no appetite for NATO at all. Unfortunately, Russians do have this incurable small dick complex which they compensate by threatening all surrounding countries with “owning them”. They can’t produce anything useful and exportable, so instead they export instability just like any decent gangster.
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Unknown parent • •We don't, we just skipped the whataboutism and talk about the asshole who should withdraw his troops and burn in hell
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Unknown parent • •@RussianChineseDeepStateSock
No, I don't. My country was occupied by Russian chaos for decades.
No more troll feeding, have fun
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Unknown parent • •@RussianChineseDeepStateSock
Stop those psychoanalytic bullshit based on me not trusting Russian propaganda and just click the block button.
I'm blocking you as well - heard enough
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