Avec la tendance croissante à dégoogliser, les fabricants de téléphones européens deviennent des alternatives populaires. Examinons les cinq premiers dans cette revue.
@chicraote de-googled phones exist, but you still can't buy apps without a google identity and this makes a de-googled phone substantially less useful.
@graydon @schmaker @e_mydata @fairphone @murena This is not true : you can install most apps with Aurora Store (Google Play alternative) in anonymous mode. I closed my Google account years ago and I can install almost all the apps available on Google Play... Thank you @e_mydata and #aurora auroraoss.com/
@chicraote I own and use a e/OS phone. I am not making theoretical statements.
I did not say "install". I said "buy". You cannot buy squeak without a google identity.
If I want the paid version of Flowx (an excellent weather app with real costs to talk to real servers with the weather data), I can't have it without a google identity. If I want the paid version of RealCal or GitSync, I can't have it without a google identity. Et multi cetera.
@graydon @schmaker @e_mydata @fairphone @murena I understand, I wasn't aware of that. We've put too much power in the hands of Google Play and Apple App Store... How can we regain control ?
I would prefer a system where there's "postal banking", strictly public banking services, and a phone to be legal for sale must support use of the postal bank for monetary transactions through which means you must be able to make any transaction you can make by any other means for no greater real cost than incurred by other means than using the postal bank.
(It's not obvious that for-profit banking is itself a tolerable situation.)
>> Remember when #Microsoft got fined about only pushing one browser? Well, we are few years late with #Google #android lock-ins
No surprises here, as some of the same people moved from Microsoft to Google and started playing the same dirty tricks that got Microsoft busted in the first place
Yes! Me! On it! I installed Waterfox, but now unsure. Should I not use Ecosia anymore? As it does data harvesting and that's one of the reasons - I just don't want that. Better for the environment, better for my speed of use.
Transitioning to Mastodon and Pixelfed, away from Spotify, partly YT still, I did install PeerTube but contentwise it is lacking for now, on SoundCloud and BandCamp trying to get people to use/come there.
every fucking thing is pushing towards using google or apple shit for everything. I've made some lucky choices in the past and can do my banking and shopping and EV charging on my Linux phone (Fairphone 5, PostmarketOS). But things like parking and most charging operators and I guess most public transport expect you to carry either of those two spies in your pocket all the time.
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Would love to. How can I migrate to new device and buy apps on my phone without #Google?
Remember when #Microsoft got fined about only pushing one browser? Well, we are few years late with android lock-ins
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Téléphones dégooglés, fabriqués en Europe : Fairphone, Volla, SHIFTphone, Punkt - un examen complet. | Tuta
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I know they are on the market. 2 problems for me:
1. None of them has physical qwerty
2. Lot of apps do not work without gapps
Somehow I still do think #EU can do much more in this area. When IT company can get fined for pushing their own browser (which can be easily replaced), then locked in backup methods should also be penalised
@/e/OS - deGoogled mobile OS @Murena - choose freedom! @Fairphone @BuyFromEU
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in reply to Schmaker • • •You could jailbreak your phone. I'm too afraid to do mine but that's a solution.
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in reply to Beldarak • •I often do, but some phones cannot be hacked and my last one worked horrible with custom fw
@/e/OS - deGoogled mobile OS @Murena - choose freedom! @Cy-real ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ⏚ @Fairphone @BuyFromEU
Graydon
in reply to Cy-real ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ⏚ • • •@chicraote de-googled phones exist, but you still can't buy apps without a google identity and this makes a de-googled phone substantially less useful.
@schmaker @BuyFromEU @e_mydata @fairphone @murena
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Aurora
auroraoss.comLΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺
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in reply to Cy-real ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ⏚ • • •@chicraote I own and use a e/OS phone. I am not making theoretical statements.
I did not say "install". I said "buy". You cannot buy squeak without a google identity.
If I want the paid version of Flowx (an excellent weather app with real costs to talk to real servers with the weather data), I can't have it without a google identity. If I want the paid version of RealCal or GitSync, I can't have it without a google identity. Et multi cetera.
@schmaker @BuyFromEU @e_mydata @fairphone @murena
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in reply to Cy-real ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ⏚ • • •I would prefer a system where there's "postal banking", strictly public banking services, and a phone to be legal for sale must support use of the postal bank for monetary transactions through which means you must be able to make any transaction you can make by any other means for no greater real cost than incurred by other means than using the postal bank.
(It's not obvious that for-profit banking is itself a tolerable situation.)
@schmaker @BuyFromEU @e_mydata @fairphone @murena
Ray McCarthy
in reply to Graydon • • •Revolut banking & An Post Banking not on Web. Only approved phones running Android or iOS.
Graydon
in reply to Ray McCarthy • • •@raymaccarthy Yup. And that's difficult to distinguish from a de facto law requiring you to have a duopoly phone.
Which is not an appropriate stance for the public square which really ought to include "banking".
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in reply to bufalo1973 • •I do IronFox with Aurora and F-Droid .. stock android, unflashable phone.
Yet, migrating between devices is pain in the ass...
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>> Remember when #Microsoft got fined about only pushing one browser? Well, we are few years late with #Google #android lock-ins
No surprises here, as some of the same people moved from Microsoft to Google and started playing the same dirty tricks that got Microsoft busted in the first place
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José
in reply to BuyFromEU • • •I use it, but just because of the trees thing.
Truth Or Consequences ✅ 🇺🇦
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in reply to BuyFromEU • • •Yes! Me! On it! I installed Waterfox, but now unsure. Should I not use Ecosia anymore? As it does data harvesting and that's one of the reasons - I just don't want that. Better for the environment, better for my speed of use.
Transitioning to Mastodon and Pixelfed, away from Spotify, partly YT still, I did install PeerTube but contentwise it is lacking for now, on SoundCloud and BandCamp trying to get people to use/come there.
#FOSS
Thinking bout Android > Fdroid etc
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in reply to BuyFromEU • • •#alttext
A two panel cartoon.
Panel 1: A man asks, "Who hates being spied on?", and everyone raises their hand.
Panel 2: The man asks, "Who will stop using Google?", and everyone lowers their hand.
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