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Zelensky: "This is Russia’s narrative — that I can’t negotiate with Putin. No one but me can negotiate on Ukraine’s sovereignty, territorial integrity, and our course. According to Ukraine’s Constitution, these are my rights and duties. I represent our state’s interests. I issued a decree to prevent people like Novinsky and Medvedchuk from holding direct talks with Putin. The idea that I need to cancel something is purely Russia’s narrative. I don’t restrict myself."
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Bryan C Jones
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zelensky's words might be true if Ukraine had held national elections at any point since 2019. Ukraine is no longer a democratic state. Martial law is the death of any democracy.
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Martial law is not the death of democracy, the fckin #war is. It either steals chance to vote on occuppied territories or even kills the voters.

#StopWar and problem is solved

#war #stopwar
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Bryan C Jones
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@schmaker Agreed, and Russia has a gigantic part to play. Unfortunately, neither side seems to want to end the war.
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Wierd, to me it seems like Ukrainians wanted the war to end since the first day. As soon as russians piss off, there wont be any war...
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@schmaker I wish they would! They will not until NATO makes clear they will stop breaking their word and expanding their territory.
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Bryan C Jones
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Nonsense. I am just as much against Russia as you are. I am against every fascist state. However, you cannot end a war by ignoring the stated reasons for its start, even if that was just an excuse.
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Actually - you can as it was "Russia vs. rest of the world". The problem is when rest of the world does not help you enough to kick them out, but only enough to make you not lose (and gain shitload of money from weapons production)

But that's another story :/

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Bryan C Jones
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@schmaker Not the rest of the world, just NATO nations, their allies, and a few other interested observers. ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against… What do you want all these nations to do? Does Russia not have allies? How would they respond if Russia sent out a call for reinforcements?

Ukraine Support Tracker - A Database of Military, Financial and Humanitarian Aid to Ukraine

The Ukraine Support Tracker lists and quantifies military, financial and humanitarian aid promised by governments to Ukraine.
Kiel Institute
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Pretty much rest of the world :)

... but that "rest of the world" wasn't even giving enough artillery shells, every single part of aid is sent too late and so on. We screwed it and we gonna pay for it

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Bryan C Jones
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@schmaker So the UN decided to impede the democratic decisions of Donetsk and Luhansk to separate from the regime that had been bombing them with cluster bombs since 2014. hrw.org/news/2014/10/20/ukrain…

Ukraine: Widespread Use of Cluster Munitions

Human Rights Watch
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@Bryan C Jones
Once again propaganda bullshit from Russia.

Check UN stats, civilian casualties were pretty much bottomed 4 years before invasion. This also wasn't democratic decision as Donbas is Ukraine and whole Ukraine would have to agree on it.

And I'm ignoring the fact there were unmarked foreign armed men - coincidentally Russian speaking - behind their back.

Btw. If you did your research you propably already know about civilian casualties there actually caused by Russians. If not, look for - for example - luckily already dead woman called Korsa

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@schmaker And why should any nation have a right to tell any people that they must remain under the control of the state? Do you not believe in the right of free association?
In addition, I do know about the Russian caused casualties. This does not negate my point that both sides are wrong in this war.
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And why should any nation have a right to tell any people that they must remain under the control of the state?


My country managed to do it without bloodshed, but whole country also must agree on it. In my country it was free decision as there wasnt any foreign power involved in our split.

This is not the case for Ukraine - of course the state does not want to give up his region - especially the richest one - when all these guys could do was to move few kilometers to the east

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@schmaker Good! That is how it should be done: without bloodshed. But why do people unconnected to you get to tell you whether you may or may not take your property and leave at any time. You can say that is just the way it is, but that does not seem to be a good answer to me. So Ukraine wanted to keep the Donbas, and Russia wanted them to separate, probably for some nefarious purpose later on. None of that matters. all that matters is the liberty and choice of the people.
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@bryancj @schmaker Bullshit. What you called "democratic decisions of Donetsk and Luhansk" was an armed invasion run by active duty Russian military personal, holding sham referendums at gun point and imprisoning, torturing or murdering anyone who objected
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@reedmideke @schmaker And the Russian paramilitary forces that performed the act would not have felt the need to do so if the CIA and other intelligence agencies had not fomented a revolution against the previous democratically elected Ukrainian regime in 2014. So there are two equally nefarious forces acting on Ukraine, Russia and NATO.
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@bryancj @schmaker That's some incredibly idiotic, ahistorical bullshit, but *even if it were true* you've still admitted that your previous claim the so called "LNR" and "DNR" were formed by democratic decisions of the people of Donetsk and Luhansk was a lie
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@reedmideke @schmaker huffingtonpost.co.uk/david-mor…
theguardian.com/commentisfree/…
jacobin.com/2022/02/maidan-pro…
buzzfeednews.com/article/hayes…
responsiblestatecraft.org/cia-…
For some "historical" reading: cia.gov/readingroom/docs/STUDI…
cato.org/commentary/washington….

This is why I distrust any state, democratic or otherwise. Whether by overt intimidation or covert maneuvering, the polls can be made to say whatever you want. Both NATO and Russia have a part to play in what might have been a prelude to world war.


It's not Russia that's pushed Ukraine to the brink of war

Seumas Milne: The attempt to lever Kiev into the western camp by ousting an elected leader made conflict certain. It could be a threat to us all
Seumas Milne (The Guardian)
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