Many are asking me to put my videos on PeerTube, but every time I look at it, I see an overly technical user experience that I do not trust to take off.
What we need is for Mastodon to become a video platform, so THIS social medium which has now matured and people clearly love, gets robust video features.
You do not beat YouTube by making users jump through hoops to watch a video. You beat YouTube by making user sponsored creator videos turn up right in the Mastodon feed.
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Osma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦
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Troed Sångberg
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •Not sure I follow though. Where are the hoops?
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Randahl Fink
in reply to Troed Sångberg • • •@troed
1. I cannot watch your video inside the Mastodon client app I am using. Instead I am forced into another platform with a different UI.
2. I cannot comment on your video without going through an additional authentication process on a different platform.
3. The comments are not visible under your post here on Mastodon.
4. I cannot become a financial supporter of your content.
5. I cannot see suggested content from other Mastodon users at the end of your video.
etc.
@anderspuck @Gargron
Troed Sångberg
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •I think it boils down to you already having a Google account, which means that if you watch a video on Xitter you're already - in addition to X - authenticated on Youtube.
The same isn't done in the Fediverse. Your Mastodon account isn't automatically also a PeerTube account [on the instance with the video being hosted]. I mean, my account on my Mastodon instance isn't an authentication to mastodon.social either.
This will only be solved if Mastodon servers also act as distributed authentication servers that other Fediverse servers accept. I agree we probably should move in that direction, but the hurdles will be ... immense.
@anderspuck @Gargron
Randahl Fink
in reply to Troed Sångberg • • •@troed that would be a really good start.
Imagine if 50,000 creators sponsored the servers to carry the video content, and it was just seamlessly available on Mastodon, and users could then support the creators financially directly from inside Mastodon.
This is what creators on X get, and if Mastodon offered something similar, I would go that route immediately.
@anderspuck @Gargron
Schmaker
in reply to Randahl Fink • •You can't do the first two on YouTube as well.
Somehow I cannot get over a feeling you want free #PeerTube to do stuff that even multimilion dollar #YouTube cannot do.
You sure can find million and one reasons not to use it. Nobody is forcing you though 😀
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Erik
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •@troed @gargron Issue 1+2 are maybe a problem of your app. Try the webinterface or different app. On top of that: Peertube instances can shut comments off or require additional auth. Or can block entire instances. Thats a good thing (very good!).
Issue 3: Well: yes of course they are visible. Proof: social.tchncs.de/@erik@video.f…
Issue 4: Of course, but that depends on the creator. And tax regulations and more.
Issue 5: No and thats is very good. Who needs paternalism? I know for myself what I want to see. Suggestions always mean that someone is evaluating your behavior. And save it for later use - against you and for ad revenue.
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social.tchncs.deDaniel Artfors
in reply to Troed Sångberg • • •Randahl Fink
in reply to Daniel Artfors • • •Daniel Artfors
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •Randahl Fink
in reply to Daniel Artfors • • •@artfors thank you.
I see she has a Patreon account which she links to. I thought you meant that the video platform itself had support functions.
Hopefully that will become reality one day.
Daniel Artfors
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •Randahl Fink
in reply to Daniel Artfors • • •Daniel Artfors
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •The Photonsphere
in reply to Troed Sångberg • • •Schmaker
in reply to Randahl Fink • •First of all - being on #PeerTube does not mean you need to leave #Mastodon - you can both follow and interact with videos directly from #Fediverse instance
You can also #boost them (just put the PeerTube URL in the search bar)
You can also follow PeerTube channel into #Podcast applications through #RSS and such.
Yes, UX has some round edges, but if you manage to try, it's quite powerfull tool.
And no, you will not achieve same result with Mastodon. Ever.
Also - it's time to stop talking PeerTube like it was supposed to replace YouTube - it will not. It's an alternative and it's quite bang for the buck actually.
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Schmaker
in reply to Schmaker • •There are also complains about "there is nobody on PeerTube" .. well, this is our most successfull video. On local instance in Czech language (!).
As for #monetization - support button will not work in this use case - I'd choose some sort of mini QR code within the video to make it reach whole audience - even out of PeerTube...
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Viðrir (your friendly viking)
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •But flodding Mastodon with videos will make it extremely more expensive to run small Mastodon instances.
No, I prefer videos to stay on PeerTube, its just as easy to follow Peer Tube channels on Mastodon as any other fediverse account.
Setting up a Peer Tube channel is done in minutes.
Randahl Fink
in reply to Viðrir (your friendly viking) • • •The videos could be hosted seperately behind the scenes.
I would pay good money to have my Mastodon account “video creator enabled”, if this enables me to share my videos to the audience I love.
But asking people to download yet another app and create yet another account and follow me on yet another platform is just not a viable way forward.
Yes, you can watch PeerTube from a hyperlink, but that is not a full YouTube experience with creator support, debate, etc.
@anderspuck @Gargron
Leeloo
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •@Vidrir People are telling you that you can follow Peertube accounts from your Mastodon account. Only the creator needs both apps (and only if he also wants a Mastodon account). And while I personally don't have a Peertube account, I do have a Pixelfed (Fedi "instagram") account, and ⅘ of my followers are Mastodon accounts. I've had comment threads that were a mix of Pixelfed and Madtodon accounts.
The integration exists. It is not perfect, but it does work.
Which is very much the opposite of what you are comparing to, you can't follow or comment on Youtube channels in the Twitter app.
Randahl Fink
in reply to Leeloo • • •Leeloo
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •Then the Youtube users can't follow or comment.
The big platforms have exactly the problems you describe - needing an account on every platform. Which is one of the things the fediverse was designed to do away with.
Schmaker
in reply to Randahl Fink • •Keyword is #boost.
Boost your #PeerTube video to #Mastodon and you get exactly what you're talking about in this comment.
Only thing, that's required is your account on PeerTube. Not sure if Mastodon can handle this, but I can automatically boost all my videos from my PeerTube account using #Friendica mirroring ability.
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Erik
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •@Vidrir @gargron
Thats my opinion as very small content creator who is peertube exclusive:
You're comparing one of the world's biggest companies to a small foundation that relies on donations (and has one fulltime developer, i think? I´m not sure.)
Apart from a browser, no one needs an additional app to use Peertube. Youtube is an website, too.
A Fediverse account, however, is really helpful. So you can like, boost and comment peertube videos.
And yes, peertube means video hosting and lacks many community features and other things. but the software is growing and it is opensource. If you need something: Everyone can contribute in different ways or donate some money.
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Morten Zøllner Wendelboe 🟢🟣
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •I think you are right.
Non-tech users just want a single identity to be able to communicate.
An identity might then have limited abilities - it might not be able to communicate a video. But a payment might fix that.
For the broader audience this must be fixed.
And we need a true standardized #micropayment protocol, supported by browsers and (European) banks.
Ben Fulton
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •Randahl Fink
in reply to Ben Fulton • • •@benfulton respectfully, I disagree. I am already following @anderspuck, but if I want to watch one of his videos and place a comment underneath it and support him with $5, I currently need three different platforms.
This is not seamless, and all this friction cannot compete with YouTube.
Osma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •Maybe you should learn more about what you're talking about, Randahl. I was perfectly able to watch this video and leave a comment underneath it. As for monetary support, I don't see Mastodon provide such means any better than PeerTube does.
@randahl @benfulton @anderspuck
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Randahl Fink
in reply to Osma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦 • • •@osma I was shown this UI, and I promise you, that is not just an authentication dialog, that is a wall which sends 9 out of 10 users elsewhere.
Countless times I hear tech-savvy people say they do not understand why the average user can’t just google her way to content on a platform she does not know, and create an account, and find her way through an interface she does not understand.
She can’t. And that is the point.
Friction is a killer.
@benfulton @anderspuck
Osma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦
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Michal Janda
in reply to Osma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦 • • •Osma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦
in reply to Michal Janda • • •@MichalJanda @randahl @benfulton @anderspuck
Stian
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •Personally Peertube is the only video platform in which I subscripe to creators, precisely because I don't need other accounts and feeds than my mastodon one.
@randahl @benfulton @anderspuck@mastodon.social
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Randahl Fink
in reply to Stian • • •@sab the fact that you had to look up a different @anderspuck account is friction in itself.
@anderspuck@muku.dk @benfulton @anderspuck
Stian
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •For me it's also an advantage, as it makes it easy to follow the video content separately from microblog posts. Just because I want to subscribe to someone's videos it doesn't mean I want to see everything they post online.
Another advantage is that it plays better with other non-mastodon sites. Here's the war talk channel as seen on (the Reddit-like site) Piefed, for example:
piefed.social/c/wartalk@muku.d…
@randahl @anderspuck @benfulton
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Alfred J. Kwak (audiokontor) ☕
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •with €5 monthly. as you're not the only ones i spend a 5er on this of course isn't feasible for everyone. i know.
@benfulton
𝙳𝚊𝚒𝚕𝚢 𝙵𝚒𝚜𝚑𝚠𝚛𝚊𝚙
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •YouTube and even the awful X.com are here to stay, and have far too many valuable accounts on them for me to avoid using. YouTube in particular is an incredible archive of lost media - politics or preferences notwithstanding.
So just keep posting on the Tube and feel OK about it.
notsoloud
in reply to 𝙳𝚊𝚒𝚕𝚢 𝙵𝚒𝚜𝚑𝚠𝚛𝚊𝚙 • • •@Sheep_Overboard
Microsoft is not here to stay. VISA is not here to stay. Booking.com is not here to stay. Neither are X nor YouTube.
At least not if you or some organization or country you're part of becomes sufficiently unpopular with Donald Trump. This has happened already.
For our own safety, we're building alternatives.
@randahl
Wouter 🇳🇱🇧🇷🇧🇪
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •Anders Puck Nielsen
in reply to Wouter 🇳🇱🇧🇷🇧🇪 • • •Randahl Fink
in reply to Anders Puck Nielsen • • •⬆️ THIS! EXACTLY THIS! ⬆️
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Peter Ringholm
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •@AccordingtoWouter @Gargron
I depends on your niche and audience. A lot of YouTube creators do not meet the criteria for monetization.
I think the biggest problem for PeerTube is the myth of making money on YouTube.
My example; Small YT channel, not monetized. After I made the jump to Peertube in January, I actually made enough money by selling seeds to cover the microphone expense. The community is more supportive outside YouTube.
The whole "trying to game the algoritme" part of YouTube is destroying it - It gave us AI slob and clickbait.
After I started to publish to PeerTube, I feel a change in pride and joy in my videoes, hard to explain but I feel more free. Making something for others not for the algoritme.
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Randahl Fink
in reply to Benjamin Lyng Jørgensen • • •@benjaminlj If you are right, then I suppose in a few months @anderspuck will have hundreds of thousands of subscribers on PeerTube, like he does on YouTube, just because his content is now available on PeerTube.
Forgive me, but no matter how much I love Anders’ content, I doubt that. Because the UI experience matters.
My average 60-year-old viewer on YouTube has zero incentive for switching to an inferior user experience on an unknown platform with a UI she does not understand. Zero.
Benjamin Lyng Jørgensen
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D5V3
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •You were kind enough to respond to me once here in the Fedi. That made me look at your content closer. I now see and actually read more of your posts. Sadly, none of the content is from a Google related platform.
Some of us don’t have stellar service or unlimited data for videos anyway. My concern would be having videos suppressed on a whim.
Cheers
Randahl Fink
in reply to D5V3 • • •@D5V3 what do you mean by "Sadly, none of the content is from a Google related platform"?
When I publish YouTube videos, that is to a Google platform. Not because I want it to be, but because Google owns the de facto monopoly, YouTube.
D5V3
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •dansup
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •How long are the videos?
Loops (joinloops.org) supports videos upto 3 minutes long and has a vibrant and growing community!
Loops - Short videos. Your community. Your rules.
joinloops.orgL'égrégore André ꕭꕬ
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •Better to put some cash/time into improving the user paths on PT.
Fedi.Video
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •With respect, totally disagree with what you are saying.
Following and interacting with a PeerTube account from Mastodon already works 100% exactly like following a Mastodon account from Mastodon.
You can try it with @michellemay for example. Just click the account, click "follow". Zero hoops.
When a new video is published it appears in your Mastodon timeline just like Mastodon posts.
When you reply to a video post in Mastodon it automatically becomes a comment in PeerTube.
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Fedi.Video
in reply to Fedi.Video • • •"You beat YouTube by making user sponsored creator videos turn up right in the Mastodon feed."
This is already how it works. If you follow PeerTube accounts from Mastodon they appear in your Mastodon feed. They look just like Mastodon posts, and you interact with them just like Mastodon posts.
That's the entire point of the Fediverse, that no matter which platform you are on you can follow accounts from other platforms and their posts will turn up in your feed.
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Randahl Fink
in reply to Fedi.Video • • •Derick Rethans
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •@FediVideo I think that is a valid point.
But it's a point about Ivory, and all the other clients, including the Mastodon default website view.
Right now, they don't have any capability of rendering the "Video" document type — which is what PeerTube and others use — only "Note".
I think it would be greatly beneficial if Ivory, and Tusky, and other clients would be able to directly play the Video documents in-app, and also display the "Document" document type (i.e., blog articles).
Fedi.Video
in reply to Derick Rethans • • •The videos appear as embedded videos on the Mastodon web interface, from a user's point of view they just have to click the play button.
They also appear as embedded videos on the iOS Mastodon app.
Derick Rethans
in reply to Fedi.Video • • •@FediVideo It does, but it's nowhere near usable.
I would love it to be.
But the current experience, with a video in a tiny screen with the "fullscreen" button greyed out and not working it is not great.
And that's not even talking about the mobile clients that many people would use, including myself.
Dismissing UI concerns with technical answers might work for me, but not for the vast amount of "normal" people.
Fedi.Video
in reply to Derick Rethans • • •I wasn't dismissing UI concerns with technical answers. I was pointing out you can already follow and interact with PeerTube accounts the same way you can follow and interact with Mastodon accounts.
The question of viewing embedded videos is a separate one that affects YouTube etc embedding too.
I spend most of my spare time helping non-technical people use the Fediverse on my sites and accounts. They are central to my work on here.
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Fedi.Video
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •I think that's a problem in Ivory rather than PeerTube or Mastodon? At least the official Mastodon iOS app allows playback of embedded videos.
Just to check, could you try seeing if @thelinuxexperiment shows you embedded videos in Ivory?
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Paul J Wege
in reply to Fedi.Video • • •@FediVideo
I tried the following frontends:
- Mastodon Web with Firefox, Fennec and Chrome Browser
- Mastodon Android Client
- Pachli
- Moshidon
- Fedilab
- Phanpy Web
I follow TheLinuxExperiment for a while now, so I see there postings on their peertube instance in my timeline.
With all of the above frontends I always have the same user experience: clicking the video is opening a browser window with a complete different GUI.
None of them is playing the video embedded in the apps GUI
@randahl @thelinuxexperiment
Fedi.Video
in reply to Paul J Wege • • •Embedding videos on Android apps is apparently much more difficult than embedding videos on iOS apps. AFAIK this isn't a PeerTube-specific issue.
The official iOS Mastodon app does play embedded videos including PeerTube.
It should be working on the website either way though? 🤔
Paul J Wege
in reply to Fedi.Video • • •@FediVideo
You are totally right. The native apps and Phanpy: a preview of the video, but no 'play' button. When you click on the preview a browser window is opened, showing the peertube GUI.
Completely different when you use the native Mastodon web client: when you click on video's link, browser opens up with peertube GUI, BUT, when you look at the video preview there is a 'play' button and by clicking this the video is displayed in the Mastodon GUI.
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Umbrella
in reply to Fedi.Video • • •Leeloo
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •@FediVideo
Not perfect, true, but everyone knows how to use a web browser. Nobody said there isn't room for improvement, but improvement doesn't come from starting over with a tool (Mastodon) that wasn't designed for the purpose (video)
You should still be able to like/boost/comment right there in the Ivory app, without needing a peertube account.
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Big Belgian Bopper 🔻🐸
in reply to Fedi.Video • • •Sebastian Lauwers
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •@Gargron YouTube didn’t evolve from Twitter. YouTube started as a video content platform.
Hosting video is a completely different ball game to hosting… text. A toot is going to be a kilobyte or two. A few megabytes if you add images (images are the most expensive part of hosting a Mastodon instance).
A video is hundreds of megabytes, potentially even gigabytes, as I’m sure you’re very well aware while uploading to YT.
CartyBoston
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •Hosting peertube is a different kettle of fish because it requires much more storage and network than e.g. Mastodon.
Youtube wins because Google essentially subsidizes our viewing (with their evil shit).
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txtx 🇪🇺
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •Captain
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •LumiWorx - Just Vote Dammit!
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •By the original reasoning, Google should only have 1 app. One single interface where YT/gmail/docs/Chrome/search should all exist under 1 UI, with frictionless functionality. Doubt it's gonna happen.
In an oblique context... you walk into a hardware store, and go to the paint counter. So do you think, 'I should be able to order what I want, in color and qty., just like getting ice cream at Baskin Robbins?
Not everything aligns perfectly. Restriction isn't always friction.
Grampa
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •I agree that PeerTube is a difficult experience to navigate. What I don't agree with is that Mastodon specifically needs to compete with YouTube.
A better federated video platform could come along, or PeerTube could make some improvements, but you're definitely misunderstanding the feed you're looking at. The posts you see are not all from Mastodon, and you're already following and interacting with non-Mastodon accounts. Your choice of client is limiting you.
Randahl Fink
Unknown parent • • •@dennis_melhede I completely understand your frustration with YouTube ads, but please understand that YouTube pays for all the work going into making videos, like the ones I make.
You can then chose to watch ads, and have advertisers pay for the videos, or you can chose to pay yourself by subscribing to YouTube premium, in which case you see zero ads.
Content creators like me need to pay the bills like everyone else.
Benjamin Lyng Jørgensen
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •